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Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« on: June 29, 2013, 09:56:13 AM »
Hi all!

How many of you use this product? It looks too good to be true. What are the pros & cons?
It's a little bit expensive as it's a rare product and there is nothing similar available here in the UK but if I can do a massive water change within 20mins it'll be worth it.



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I have Coral & silica sand as a substrate.. and the amount of waste my mbuna produce is unbelievable.. considering how difficult it is to do a water change.

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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2013, 10:30:22 AM »
Looks like a great product to me, I would certainly have one. Basically what I do but using small pond pump and hose to remove the water, then another hose to 're fill : )
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2013, 01:01:38 PM »
I'm sure I remember dean jones saying he bought one. I think amazon sell them.

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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2013, 01:03:26 PM »
I'm sure I remember dean jones saying he bought one. I think amazon sell them.

Yes that's right! He'll get back to me soon.
He's good like that, our Dean! ;)
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2013, 01:16:30 PM »
I have one, can't imagine life without it!   

Hard to imagine you can't easily get them when they are everywhere here in USA

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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2013, 01:27:22 PM »
I have been using Aqueon's version for some time now and I can't say it's the "end all" for WC's. At first I thought it would be all that I needed but soon realized that might not be true. I was having to clean a few filters so I still needed to bucket some water regularly. While filling buckets, I figured to just do a quick clean with that syphon and started seeing how much waste was being left behind by the python. It really wasn't picking up as much as I thought. Now I had about 2" of coral sand at the time so that may not have played well for that system. One thing I do know is that my regular (non-assisted) syphon has much more suction than the python. So, I use the syphon/bucket method to clean and the python to drain and re-fill. Sounds like a lot but goes pretty fast on 75 gals.
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2013, 02:23:02 PM »
Looks good but adding Dechlorinator before you put water in the tank would be a problem well at least that's what I do.....plus my taps don't have nothing on the ends to screw on :(
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2013, 02:50:09 PM »
Looks good but adding Dechlorinator before you put water in the tank would be a problem well at least that's what I do.....plus my taps don't have nothing on the ends to screw on :(

I'm going to have to modify my kitchen tap
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2013, 02:57:12 PM »
I have been using Aqueon's version for some time now and I can't say it's the "end all" for WC's. At first I thought it would be all that I needed but soon realized that might not be true. I was having to clean a few filters so I still needed to bucket some water regularly. While filling buckets, I figured to just do a quick clean with that syphon and started seeing how much waste was being left behind by the python. It really wasn't picking up as much as I thought. Now I had about 2" of coral sand at the time so that may not have played well for that system. One thing I do know is that my regular (non-assisted) syphon has much more suction than the python. So, I use the syphon/bucket method to clean and the python to drain and re-fill. Sounds like a lot but goes pretty fast on 75 gals.


Thanks for sharing your experience with this type of WC
Could the lack of suction be due to not enough pressure from the taps?
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2013, 06:55:54 PM »
Hey Sub ;-) here's mine mate.I love my Python ;-)
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2013, 08:03:11 PM »
Suction, at least in my case, is great as long as I have the water on as cold as I can get it, and full throttle.    I have a 210 gal tank and do 20-30% water change twice a week.   Total effort is about 25 minutes total, except every other Saturday when I do a major sweeping of the poo.   That takes me about 40 minutes.   Like I said before, being a newbie I can't imagine not having my python!

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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2013, 08:42:47 PM »
This is only my opinion ,it's not good at picking up poop  :no:  But for a water change,it's BOSS  ;)
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2013, 08:47:55 PM »
This is only my opinion ,it's not good at picking up poop  :no:  But for a water change,it's BOSS  ;)

Is there anything out there that is good at both?
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2013, 08:49:02 PM »
Hey Sub,they come with every tap adapter mate  ;)
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2013, 08:50:33 PM »
Best 50 I've spent mate  ;)  Saves me 2 hours on a water change  :thumbup
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2013, 08:53:30 PM »
Bloody hell mate  :p  You want the best of both worlds  ;)
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2013, 01:05:19 AM »
Hey Sub,they come with every tap adapter mate  ;)


my kitchen tap is 3/4 inch diameter.
I think I'll have to remove the end of it. (pls check the photo)
will the Python adapter work?
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2013, 02:29:39 AM »
I'd love to hear what's better at either poop sweeping or water changes.  Seriously, I want to know so I can get one!

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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2013, 02:51:55 AM »
  We've sold them occasionally so they are available in UK but not cheap.  I use a standard hosepipe with an Algarde gravel cleaner jammed in the end.  The Pythons don't have anywhere near enough pipe for my purposes. 
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2013, 04:38:50 AM »
MrDiscus, I'm curious, how much pipe do you use?  My python has a 30" pipe on it.   

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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2013, 05:52:53 PM »
Hey Sub..... pressure from the taps could be a cause but in my case I do have really good pressure so may be sealing around all the connections is what I think.

Unfortunately like davenport said, you need to keep your tap on full blast which blows a bunch of water you are paying for down the drain! I don't know about you but I don't care for that so I use the python strictly for draining to the garden and refilling from the tap. 
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2013, 07:11:54 PM »
I have one. I am only just getting back into fish after 5-6 years out but I still have it around and will be using it once I have my new tank up and running.

It does make things easier BUT you have to make sure it fits your tap properly otherwise it can be a bit if a wet experience!!
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2013, 08:50:19 PM »
Not sure if it will help anyone, but I was told by an old guy to drape a towel over the sink nozzle to "catch"  the spray from making a mess.  It really seems to make my water changes less messy

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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2013, 01:00:55 AM »
"MrDiscus, I'm curious, how much pipe do you use?  My python has a 30" pipe on it."  Yeh they do come with a fair but of pipe I'll grant you but my water changing method is quite involved.  I use 25m hosepipe= about 80 feet cos  I empty it all over the lawn and then move the pipe upstairs to the bathroom to fill up.
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Re: Python No Spill Clean 'N Fill - advice please
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2013, 02:00:31 AM »
Oh, thought you meant the actual pipe not the hose.   I have 50' of hose, 30" of pipe not sure I'd ever want or need more.   But I guess that all depends on your setup.