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Cynotilapia
« on: January 25, 2019, 11:07:14 PM »
Just bought a couple of mbuna named Cynotilapia white top Gallireya reef from Tampa Bay cichlids but, was later told they’re not Hara’s. I thought the only  Cynotilapia from there were Hara. Am I right & what could they be?
« Last Edit: January 27, 2019, 04:37:00 PM by Nick44 »

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Re: Cynotilapia
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2019, 10:42:29 PM »
Hey Nick, to the best of my knowledge, the scientific name is Cynotilapia sp. "hara". Their common name is White Top Hara. They are only collected from Gallireya Reef in the lake. Not sure of any other info pertaining to these fish directly changing their classification or namimg but I don't know what you have. A pic would help. What supplier did you get them from? And who told you they were not the rightly named fish?
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Re: Cynotilapia
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2019, 07:37:23 PM »
Thanks for replying, Yanks. I bought them from Tampa Bay cichlids & they’re named Cynotilapia white top afra Gallireya reef. I thought I was getting some Haras since as far as I know are they are the only white tops from that region. When I got them I had doubts that they were Haras. I emailed Dave at Tampa Bay cichlids & he told me they weren’t Haras but, they were from the Gallireya reef. I didn’t want to email him back,yet. They look like they’re white top Likoma to me. What do you think?
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Re: Cynotilapia
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2019, 12:18:47 AM »
Might be a bit early to tell exactly what they are. They look like juvies. Likoma I believe have yellow dorsal/tail fins so I'm not sure if they are Likoma. I don't know if they exist in a white top variation. I know my Hara didn't have the same stripping. My males had 4 dominant stripes (w/2 on their face) when showing and their bodies are almost pure white (even as juvies). And their heads are shorter in length. BTW....Cyno. White Top Afra is an older term for Cyno. sp. hara so I'm not sure what else he said he sold you that isn't a hara. I'd ask him to clarify exactly what are the fish he sold you. Scientific name and common name so you can research they yourself.
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Re: Cynotilapia
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2019, 12:30:33 AM »
And Welcome to ACH :06  How about you hop on over to the New Members section and give us some info on you and your setup :thumbup
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Re: Cynotilapia
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2019, 12:42:00 AM »
I agree it might be early but, I do t think they’re Haras. He told me they were Gallireya reef variant. I think he’s confused or something. I do believe that they have white top Likoma Afras which is what I think I have. I just wish people wouldn’t sell the wrong fish on their website because I specifically wanted a Hara. Still a nice fish but a don’t think I could put him in a tank with a male Jalo Reef like I was planning on doing with the Hara. Thanks for your input!

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Re: Cynotilapia
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2019, 01:07:32 AM »
I took a look at their site and the fish they show in the main looks exactly like mine. I did notice some fish in the second pic that appeared to have more stripes and could be females. And as far as selling the wrong fish, I've received fish that weren't even the same species!!! One time I ordered Lab. caeruleus Nkhata Bay and got Petrotilapia Nkhata Orange! :10 Needless to say they (supplier to remain nameless) made things right and I ended up with bonus fish :)  So it does happento all of us but in your case, you may have what you ordered but they don't show well yet. And I kept Hara with Jalo Reef just fine. They did fight for dominance now and then but otherwise never cross bred and stayed away from each other. You can probably still go ahead with your plan with these guys.
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Re: Cynotilapia
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2019, 01:24:03 AM »
Yes, the one behind it is what I have. Not the Hara in the pic. He told me they weren’t Haras but, Gallireya reef variant. I ordered 1 M & 1 F but, I think both are male, not a biggie. So you can see my confusion. Good guy ,very responsive to my emails just confusing me. Lol. I know the female Haras look almost like the males do, so I don’t know.   I just might go ahead & put him in with the Jalo Reef, you never know.

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Re: Cynotilapia
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2019, 08:53:46 PM »
So is he going to send you the proper fish that you ordered? That's the right thing to do if he sent you the wrong fish.
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Re: Cynotilapia
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2019, 11:26:32 PM »
I think that’s the only type of white tops Cynotilapias they have. Whatever, I’ll just keep looking until I find one again(had one that past) plus, I know most LFS, around here  have names wrong most of the time. I also plan on ordering some white labs from him so, I don’t want him to send me some bad ones, Lol. & thanks for welcoming me too!
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Re: Cynotilapia
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2019, 06:52:27 PM »
I've had White Labs in the past and you will love the look :nod:  Their scales actually shimmer in the right lighting and they are stunning :thumbup Make sure they are from Nkhata Bay. The other variations are a bit duller and more stripped.  Now that I think about it............I need more again!!!
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Re: Cynotilapia
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2019, 03:15:07 AM »
Just bought a couple of mbuna named Cynotilapia white top Gallireya reef from Tampa Bay cichlids but, was later told they’re not Hara’s. I thought the only  Cynotilapia from there were Hara. Am I right & what could they be?

Thats funny because I bought the same fish "guaranteed male" and though it doesnt look like anything in the picture! RIGHT?

And I though that way for a while because I had him for at least six months, his growth was minimal and I question my purchase and "his mission" (if you have purchased from them you know what Im saying.)

But.... about 2 months ago he got into a scuffle with a socofoli and I saw him lighten up like almost white! His stripes were flexing hard and he looked exactly like the picture!
Then he calmed down and went back into his bright powder blue (which is his normal state thus far)

So after a little research I found that some males only achieve this color from aggression or breeding. I having had him long enough, he is still less then 2" and he grows so slowly!

Give them some time.

Just thought Id share

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Re: Cynotilapia
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2019, 09:58:38 PM »
I here what your saying, cause he’s white sometimes and then blue. He could be a Hara, but I need to see how he grows. The guy said they weren’t Hara, but they were from the Gallireya Reef, so I’m confused or he is, lol.Oh well, only time will tell.

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Re: Cynotilapia
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2019, 11:36:49 PM »
Dominance and mating are what make them "show" that way. My Dom male looked like that all the time when I had 2 males and 3 females. He was always showing his dominance over the other male and trying to mate with the females. The other male only "showed" when he tried to fight the Dom male. Otherwise he looked much like a female. It is one of the differences between keeping Mbuna and Peacocks. Male Peacocks will still show well in an all male tank as Mbuna males won't. They need the females to fully show off. 
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Re: Cynotilapia
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2019, 12:05:24 AM »
Absolutely, Yanks. And those white labs are a great addition to my tank. I can’t wait until they get bigger!