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newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« on: October 31, 2016, 08:44:31 PM »
HI,

I am new on the forum and in the African Cichlid. I had communitary fish tank for more than 10 years. I decided to start an African Cichlid fish tank. It came because my wife didn't want a marine aquarium at home and I wanted colorful fish in my new tank like reef fish. I then discovered African cichlid vivid color.
After some reading on cichlid requirement, i started cycling my tank a few days ago and looking to get the right chemical parameters before introducing the fish.

Now i am looking for stocking this tank. It is 120cmx50cmx60cm approximately.

From what i read, malawi lake fish are the most colorful and popular fish with a lot of variation and species. I kind of pick up this lake. And then there is the choice between Mbuna or Haps/Peacock. So far i did not really understand how one can choose between them. What are the criteria governing such choice?

I feel like Mbuna would be a better choice for me because of the size of my tank, but is it right?

And then there is the choice of the fish. I am confuse with all the name people are referring to as I am not familiar with them. Is there a resource on internet with a list of the different species and picture and advice on compatibility? Like a wiki for Cichlids?

I have a Cichlid store with a good reputation not far from my city where i plan to buy my fishes, but I want to have information before I get there.

Your help will be very welcome.

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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2016, 09:09:56 PM »
Hello and Welcome. 
With a 90gal, I would stock as a 75gal (same size, only taller).  I agree that Mbunas would be easier, if stocking Peacocks and Hap you can do only one species (and the females are very bland in color) or an "All Male" tank which is not easy. 
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https://www.google.com/search?q=african+cichlid+pictures&rlz=1C1EKKP_enUS701US701&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigxYXz-YXQAhVFjFQKHS0OBSkQsAQIHQ&biw=1264&bih=891
75gal   W/T Haras, Met. Membe Deep, and Kawanga Golds
60gal   Ps. Saulosi (1M and 9F) and 1 lonely OB Peacock.

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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2016, 09:51:43 PM »
I found some fish from a private breeder near my place. Here is what i selected. Can you tell me how many fish (male and female) of each species I should take and if they are compatible? I made some research and need your help before i buy them

Metriaclima pulpican. (??) very beautifull blue...
pseudotropheus socolofie snow white (1-5?)
Pseudotropheus flavus (1-4)
Pseudotropheus elongatus (maybe to large?)
Yellow labidochromis (??) love this one

Is there any red or orange mbuna?

Here is the full list of the seller, anything else you recommend out of this list?

Metriaclima pulpican - 1"= 4$
pseudotropheus socolofie snow white - 3/4'' to 1"= 5$
Pseudotropheus Acei ngara - 1"-1,25".  =3$
Melanochromis. Parallelus - 1"= 4$
Melanochromis auratus - 3/4"  3$
Pseudotropheus crabro  - 1-1,25". = 3$
Pseudotropheus flavus - 3/4-1". 5$ 1 to 2" 7$
Pseudotropheus elongatus mpanga - 3/4-1,25" 4$
Yellow labidochromis 1" = 2$

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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2016, 02:03:33 AM »
Metriaclima pulpican --- No experience, but hear they are good. 
pseudotropheus socolofie snow white --- Some say they are a little on the mean side.  I had a pair for about a year without issues.
Pseudotropheus Acei ngara --- Real peaceful, and more of an "open water" Mbuna, but does grow over 7-8" long
Melanochromis Parallelus --- A very mean fish.  Almost all Melanochromis are very mean
Melanochromis auratus-- - See above.
Pseudotropheus crabro  --- A very mean fish, that grows very big and ugly.
Pseudotropheus flavus --- No experience
Pseudotropheus elongatus mpanga --- No experience
Yellow labidochromis ---  Almost a must for any Mbuna tank.  Peaceful, and colorful.
75gal   W/T Haras, Met. Membe Deep, and Kawanga Golds
60gal   Ps. Saulosi (1M and 9F) and 1 lonely OB Peacock.

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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2016, 02:18:44 AM »
Hello and Welcome. 
With a 90gal, I would stock as a 75gal (same size, only taller).  I agree that Mbunas would be easier, if stocking Peacocks and Hap you can do only one species (and the females are very bland in color) or an "All Male" tank which is not easy. 
Pictures?
https://www.google.com/search?q=african+cichlid+pictures&rlz=1C1EKKP_enUS701US701&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigxYXz-YXQAhVFjFQKHS0OBSkQsAQIHQ&biw=1264&bih=891
He could have multiple peacock species by just having and all male display setup harder yes but when pulled off looks amazing

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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2016, 03:52:40 AM »
I am still wondering about mbuna vs haps.

The vendor has also this list of haps

HAPS
aulonocara usisya flavescent
1p = 7$

Aulonocara firefish strawberry
1p = 4$ 1,5 p 6$
Aussi male sexable reg Ét albinos 10$

Aulonocara firefish albino
1p = 4$

Aulonocara Lwanda
3/4=5$
1p -1,25= 8$
Petit male sexable 1,5 p 20$

Aulonocara bleu neon
3/4 p = 5$

Aulonocara German red
3/4-1 p 5$

Aulonocara  bicolor
3/4 a1 p= 5$. 1,5 p 8$

Astatotilapia Latifaciata
3/4p a 1p. 4$

Chilotilapia RHOADESIE
1-1,5 = 5$

Placidochromis milomo
1,5 p =7$ 3/4p 4$

Placidochromis Electra
1-1,5p  8$
Othopharynx tetrastigma
1p= 5$

Dimidiochromis strigatus
1,5-2,5p =5$
Male sexable 15$

Fossorochromis rostratus 
1,5-1,75p  =7$

Stomatepia pindu
3/4p a1p =5$

May i mix mbuna and haps?

How many fish should i have in my tank?



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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2016, 03:57:22 AM »
 I wouldn't and in that is a Victorian the A.latifaciata is nice fish.
Dimi strigatus and rostratus are predator haps and get big and nasty

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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2016, 04:52:44 AM »
Most of the haps you mentioned will get to big for a 4 foot tank. The Electra and tetrastigma will be ok. Your looking around 10-12 peacocks and smaller haps for an all male tank in a 90gallon. I would stick with mostly peacocks. Linebred and hybrid peacocks can be a little more aggressive then true species so choose wisely. Fire fish, German red/ruby red,eureka red and ob peacocks to name a few.
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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2016, 01:34:22 PM »
Hi thanks fir all your answer

I will go with mbunas then

How many species i should mix in my tank?
How many male female should i keep fir each species?
How many fish in total should i keep in my 90 gal tank?

I am going to the seller today


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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2016, 02:27:07 PM »
Hi, I would go with your choice of:
Yellow labs (labidochromis ceruleus yellow)
Pseudotropheus socolofi snow white (hope not too mean)
Pseudotropheus elongatus mpanga -OR- Metriaclima pulpican but not both as similar barred males and drab-ish females. Instead I would try the acei, I keep mine in a 6 ft but some swear you can keep them in as little as 4ft, just don't overfeed them so they won't grow too big
100gal yellow Labs, Acei, Rusties, Cynotilapia Jalo Reef, Labeotropheus t. Chilumba, Melanochromis dialeptos
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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2016, 02:28:44 PM »
Thanks paul

What about number of fish for each single species and how many male female?

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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2016, 02:38:28 PM »
 I would go 1/4 all around. Orange mbuna = metriaclima estherae (red zebra) but can be mean and will hybridize with labs. Red mbuna = holy grail, only really red is a man made hybrid Dragonblood/Firefish but frowned upon by purists but it is your tank so if the seller has a nice one, possibly bigger than the mbuna you are also buying go ahead. Main thing is if you have any succesfull reproductions you may not be able to be sure the result will not be hybrids
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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2016, 02:52:43 PM »
Make sure you have the correct food for your mbuna, go for one aimed at vegetarians and with 40% protein at the most
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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2016, 02:55:36 PM »
Thanks

This is the food i buy



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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2016, 03:15:47 PM »
Very good, pity not sold much this side of the Atlantic.
Bonne chance
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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2016, 06:47:25 PM »
I git my fish. I went to a breeder. Very nice guy who gave lot of advices.

I finnaly followed almost all you advices.

I went with

3 metriaclima pulpican
3 pseudotropheus socolofie snow white
3 pseudotropheus acei
3 pseodotropheus flavus
5yellow labidochromis

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1 aulonocara firefish. I know it is an haps... hope i did not a huge mistake but the fish is so beatifull...

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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2016, 08:48:53 PM »
I git my fish. I went to a breeder. Very nice guy who gave lot of advices.

I finnaly followed almost all you advices.

I went with

3 metriaclima pulpican
3 pseudotropheus socolofie snow white
3 pseudotropheus acei
3 pseodotropheus flavus
5yellow labidochromis

And



1 aulonocara firefish. I know it is an haps... hope i did not a huge mistake but the fish is so beatifull...

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  The diet between Haps and Mbuna is Vegetable protein for Mbuna ( they are herbivores )  Haps are Carnivores and get much larger. The Acei will grow to a much larger size than the other Mbuna even in a smaller tank but may take a bit longer. The Acei is a less aggressive fish that's seems to like groups. Test the water consistently and be overfiltered ( 2 filters to alternate cleanings ) .. Regular weekly water changes at about 40-50% with dechlorinator every time.
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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2016, 01:07:35 PM »
sounds grat, send photos when possible. Most people I know who have firefish just give them regular mbuna food and they seem to be doing ok, maybe because they are partially derived from mbunas. If the fish get big it makes for the best excuse for getting a bigger tank. Bonne journee
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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2016, 07:35:16 PM »
Let those grow a little, but you are going to need to remove the extra males and add more females later.
Most of those will need 3-4 females for every male.   
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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2016, 11:08:24 PM »
sounds grat, send photos when possible. Most people I know who have firefish just give them regular mbuna food and they seem to be doing ok, maybe because they are partially derived from mbunas. If the fish get big it makes for the best excuse for getting a bigger tank. Bonne journee
  I agree that just keep them all on the Mbuna diet.. The peacocks and others can share just IMO not recommended to do the other way..
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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2016, 11:22:28 PM »
Great. I was concerned with having this added this peacock with mbuna

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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2016, 01:11:00 AM »


Here it is. Some fish are hiding in the rocks.



And the tank



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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2016, 11:15:40 AM »
Now that's my kinda TV  :nod:
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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2016, 11:37:17 AM »
Fish are proven to have a higher I.Q. than most people on the telly anyway
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Re: newbie want to stock a 90 gallons
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2016, 09:29:59 PM »
Fish are proven to have a higher I.Q. than most people on the telly anyway

Maybe even higher then some that are watching it. 
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60gal   Ps. Saulosi (1M and 9F) and 1 lonely OB Peacock.