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Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« on: August 23, 2016, 04:07:53 AM »
I've been reading through this forum and it's seems doable. I'm not new to the hobby but I am new to Cichlids so looking for as much advice as I can before I start converting my planted tank into a cichlid setup.

My goal if possible, is to get as much colour variation as possible despite being on the "small" end of suitable cichlid tanks.
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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2016, 08:54:56 PM »
Yes, your tank is on the "smaller" end, but there still are a few African Cichlids that can live in that size tank.
75gal   W/T Haras, Met. Membe Deep, and Kawanga Golds
60gal   Ps. Saulosi (1M and 9F) and 1 lonely OB Peacock.

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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2016, 09:39:56 PM »
Yes, your tank is on the "smaller" end, but there still are a few African Cichlids that can live in that size tank.

Please advise on the species/setup.  :clap:

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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2016, 12:53:16 AM »
I would only keep one species in a tank that small.  Ps. Saulosi is always a good choice, but yellow labs, and Cyno Jalo Reef maybe OK too. 
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60gal   Ps. Saulosi (1M and 9F) and 1 lonely OB Peacock.

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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2016, 01:12:51 AM »
Any Idea about the stocking ratios? with either setup?

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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2016, 03:01:53 AM »
In a tank that small, one male is max, with maybe 4-5 females.
75gal   W/T Haras, Met. Membe Deep, and Kawanga Golds
60gal   Ps. Saulosi (1M and 9F) and 1 lonely OB Peacock.

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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2016, 01:15:25 AM »
To small imo for even dwarf mbuna. I would consider shell dwellers from lake tanganika. Dwarf mbuna stay small but still need room. Saulosi may be doable but still going to be challenging. Try and get your hands on a 75 gallon minimum (roughly 300 liters) if you could for more stocking options
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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2016, 01:30:51 AM »
To small imo for even dwarf mbuna. I would consider shell dwelling cichlids from lake tanganika. Dwarf mbuna stay small but still need room. Saulosi may be doable but still going to be challenging. Try and get your hands on a 75 gallon minimum (roughly 300 liters) if you could for more stocking options
i have to agree. a 55g(200l) imo should really be the absoloute minimum for lake malawi cichlids. saulosi are a smaller species but are quite aggressive/territorial. the males are hard on females. even with one male he is going to batter the females in a tank that size. shell dwellers would be a better option.

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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2016, 02:09:59 PM »
Hey guys

Perhaps I'm being overly ambitious here but I googled "JUwel Vision 180L Cichlids" and saw an abundance of cichlid setups in my tank. Which is why I thought it was possible with some thought and planning. My confusion is probably because I know nothing about cichlids whatsoever, just that others have kept them successfully in 180L

Would a Tanganyikan setup be possible? I've seen many examples of that in a juwel vision 180 also? It seems overstocking to disperse aggression or two species in the smaller cichlids would be the way to go but that's just what I've seen online. I'm here for your good advice.

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I wanted to add that I'm completely ok with just one or if possible two species. I've been researching cynotilapia afra and P saulosi.
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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2016, 02:50:38 PM »
When looking at juwel vision 180 i also found lots of examples of multiple species in a juwel "rio" 180. And as someone who's new to cichlids I am slightly confused by this one fact.




The difference is 9cm in tank length but those extra 9cm affords those users to have multiple species? but none in a tank 9cm smaller? I read every 180L thread on this forum and it seems to follow the same trend?

I'm just confused lol

Also: http://africancichlidhub.com/forum/index.php?topic=1369.0 suggests I can have 10-12 in a 180L?

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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2016, 03:23:33 PM »
Just because it's been done doesn't mean it should be done. I admire the fact that your willing to take advice as this will give you the chance to be more successful and enjoy your first Cichlid experience. Also keep in mind, what works for one person may not work for another. Shellie's (tanganikas) would be your best choice. If you can slightly upgrade to atleast a 4 foot tank (preferably 18" deep) but 12" will do if room is a problem, then keeping smaller dwarf mbuna like saulosi would be ok. The link you posted does show that it's possible to do a small dwarf setup but that's the absolute smallest size tank and will most likely be more difficult to keep them. besides there level of aggression at times I think the bigger problem is maintaining water quality in a tank with such little water volume. These fish are very messy!
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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2016, 03:26:57 PM »
Looking at your spec sheet I would say you will be fine. I didn't realize it was just over 3" and almost 18 wide. You should be fine with a group of about 8 with only 1 male. I thought it was 3'x 12" and taller. A species only tank would be best. I usually work in gallons and inches 😂 Still pushing it but doable
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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2016, 04:09:50 PM »
Looking at your spec sheet I would say you will be fine. I didn't realize it was just over 3" and almost 18 wide. You should be fine with a group of about 8 with only 1 male.  A species only tank would be best.

Yes, I too (and still) think it is doable.   Shellies from Tanganyika and/or with Jullies would be best, but I have never kept them before.  I still think one of these species would be OK.
Ps. Saulosi, Yellow labs, and Cyno Jalo Reef (and maybe even Rustys).
75gal   W/T Haras, Met. Membe Deep, and Kawanga Golds
60gal   Ps. Saulosi (1M and 9F) and 1 lonely OB Peacock.

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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2016, 04:45:55 PM »
Labs get to big but the rest will do that Kingston mentioned
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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2016, 07:21:41 PM »
Looking at your spec sheet I would say you will be fine. I didn't realize it was just over 3" and almost 18 wide. You should be fine with a group of about 8 with only 1 male.  A species only tank would be best.

Yes, I too (and still) think it is doable.   Shellies from Tanganyika and/or with Jullies would be best, but I have never kept them before.  I still think one of these species would be OK.
Ps. Saulosi, Yellow labs, and Cyno Jalo Reef (and maybe even Rustys).

Cyno Jalo looks the best to me. 1 male and 7 females :thumbup

I'm thinking black sand and black background? Though I must admit, I'm curious as to why 90% of the tanks I've seen use white sand? I'm going into "shellies and Julies" as a backup plan. Tough I'm unsure of what type of mix I can get in that setup?

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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2016, 09:53:36 PM »
sand is just a personal preference. i personally dont care for black sand just looks too artificial for my taste.

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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2016, 10:08:09 PM »
Agreed with Dave, it's personal preference really. I prefer a more tan sand as it looks a bit more natural. Black would be my choice for background but some darker blues look good also. Don't no much about tangs to recommend species to you. Post a new topic in the stocking section of forum. There are a few that keep Shellie's but not many
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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2016, 10:59:51 PM »
Years ago I had Neolamprologus Brichardi's and some Juli's. I really liked them but when I got back in the hobby 2 years ago my local breeder/shop didn't carry them so I went with mbuna

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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2016, 12:29:43 PM »
That's a heavy load for 180l tank!! Better off with shel lies like mike said there are some awesome varieties like gold occys or Multies there really interesting when in good ratio the male actually buries his shell only leaving the entrance open and there territories are very small like 6 sq inches 

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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2016, 01:13:52 PM »
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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2016, 01:14:40 PM »
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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2016, 04:51:19 PM »
The Jalo Reef is a nice fish, but just an FYI, the females are plain (very plain) in color.

The reason you see so much "white sand" is because many of us use "pool filter" sand, which is cheap and white.  If you do go black, I would recommend black "blasting sand".  It is finer and easier to clean.
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Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2016, 07:09:54 PM »
I know you said you want a variety of color, but I'd do a species tank at that size....what you want to look for is a peaceful African w/colorful females that max out at 3.5 inches or less....2 m 6f would work....now it's up to you to find which African fits that criteria


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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2016, 10:41:00 PM »
At +/- 47 US gallons, the species only dwarf setup is the best way to go with 8 fish tops, probably less with 1 male to several females.
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Re: Best Cichlid setup for a Juwel Vision 180L?
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2016, 02:20:06 AM »
I know you said you want a variety of color, but I'd do a species tank at that size....what you want to look for is a peaceful African w/colorful females that max out at 3.5 inches or less....2 m 6f would work....now it's up to you to find which African fits that criteria


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Any suggestions 3.5" dwarfs to get me started? I noticed the Jalo females are plain so I'm thinking about Ps. Saulosi. I read another post on another forum that recommended 3 males and 9 females (Ps Saulosi) which kinda blew my mind? But I'm not sure how that would work.

I've checked and don't seem to be able to find "black blasting sand" in the UK?

Also I just want to say thank you to everyone who's replied thus far. It's a big help to me!

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